Ty and fact is, I winged it a bit with this phone. Coming from YEARS of iPhone devices with better and better camera, I remembered all my earlier (pre-2013) Androids: 4 with sh*t cameras, 1 with "almost acceptable". When I saw this Moto G5s on a short sale, I started to look for all info I could get. Hmm, 16 Mpix camera? It MIGHT be good. So I bought it, because it's a better phone than I could afford anyway - I mean at its original price. I really don't know how the camera was out of the box, because in just a few hours one update came in, and after merely a week or two, one more...